“You have to set an example. You have to empower people with clean hands. Once they see that there is a culture of integrity, they do perform.” The Ehsaas Program is a landmark social security initiative in Pakistan, which was instrumental in giving quick relief to millions of Pakistanis affected by the Covid-19 lockdown. Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Poverty Alleviation and Social Safety, Dr. Sania Nishtar, talks to VCast about the origins of the Ehsaas Program, her own transition